We're nearing the end of season five, and as per usual we've hit the 'not great' episode of the final batch, 5x20 - Spiral.

Although, there are some nice character moments from the Scoobies, Amanda and Andrea talk about their MANY problems with the Knights of Byzantium, and how it brings down this whole episode.

Andrea brings up the parallels between Dawn and Ben that come about thanks to the massive exposition dump from the general of the Knights...(have we mentioned we don't like the knights?)

We're talking about "Tough Love" today on the podcast. 

We spend most of the episode talking about the relationships between Buffy & Dawn, and Willow & Tara. (With a little Buffy/Giles on the side)

Amanda and Andrea chat about the interesting way in which some of the characters have matured, and how both of them felt the shift in the argument between Willow and Tara came out of left field. 

Amanda and Andrea welcome back guest Lauren to chat about robot Buffy, real Buffy's vision quest and the nature of love. As well as how much fun SMG must have had being robot Buffy and how happy we are that Spike's taken a turn back towards the side of good.

Also, warning: Do NOT listening to the beginning of this podcast while eating...weird tangent that doesn't mix well with food.

Time to talk about "Forever." Buffy's still in shock, Dawn's lashing out and  all the Scoobies are still grieving the loss of Joyce. 

Amanda and Andrea chat about the slightly darker tone the show's taken, the vast difference between Tara and Willow's views on magic and how frustrated they are with Hank Summers. (plus how grateful they are for Angel in this episode)